Date: Sat, 17 Apr 93 05:00:04 From: Space Digest maintainer Reply-To: Space-request@isu.isunet.edu Subject: Space Digest V16 #465 To: Space Digest Readers Precedence: bulk Space Digest Sat, 17 Apr 93 Volume 16 : Issue 465 Today's Topics: Apollo Training in Iceland A WRENCH in the works? (3 msgs) Big amateur rockets (5 msgs) Clementine Science Team Selected Cold gas roll control thruster tanks Cold Gas tanks for Sounding Rockets DC-X update??? How many read sci.space? japanese moon landing? (2 msgs) Shuttle oxygen (was Budget Astronaut) (2 msgs) Sixty-two thousand (was Re: How many read sci.space?) Space Event near Los Angeles, CA Weekly reminder for Frequently Asked Questions list Welcome to the Space Digest!! Please send your messages to "space@isu.isunet.edu", and (un)subscription requests of the form "Subscribe Space " to one of these addresses: listserv@uga (BITNET), rice::boyle (SPAN/NSInet), utadnx::utspan::rice::boyle (THENET), or space-REQUEST@isu.isunet.edu (Internet). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 09:49:09 CET From: TNEDDERH@ESOC.BITNET Subject: Apollo Training in Iceland Newsgroups: sci.space The Apollo astronauts also trained at (in) Meteor Crater in the Flagstaff area (Arizona). There is now a museum with a space shop. Caution: they ease you by 6$. Compared to a KSC visit it's not worth. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thorsten Nedderhut | Disclaimer: mbp Software & Systems GmbH | c/o ESA/ESOC/FCSD/OAD/STB | Neither ESA nor mbp is responsible Darmstadt, Germany | for my postings! tnedderh@esoc.bitnet | ------------------------------ Date: 16 Apr 93 12:26:43 EDT From: "John F. Woods" Subject: A WRENCH in the works? Newsgroups: sci.space nanderso@Endor.sim.es.com (Norman Anderson) writes: >jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) writes: >>effect that one of the SSRBs that was recovered after the >>recent space shuttle launch was found to have a wrench of >>some sort rattling around apparently inside the case. >I heard a similar statement in our local news (UTAH) tonight. They referred >to the tool as "...the PLIERS that took a ride into space...". They also >said that a Thiokol (sp?) employee had reported missing a tool of some kind >during assembly of one SRB. I assume, then, that someone at Thiokol put on their "manager's hat" and said that pissing off the customer by delaying shipment of the SRB to look inside it was a bad idea, regardless of where that tool might have ended up. Why do I get the feeling that Thiokol "manager's hats" are shaped like cones? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 18:24:14 GMT From: Karl Anderson Subject: A WRENCH in the works? Newsgroups: sci.space From another space forum > NOW WHERE DID I LEAVE THOSE PLIERS? When workers at the Kennedy Space Center disassembled the STS-56 solid rocket boosters they were surprised to find a pair of pliers lodged into the outside base of the right hand SRB. The tool survived the trip from the launch pad up to approximately a 250,000 foot altitude, then down to splashdown and towing back to KSC. NASA spokesperson Lisa Malone told the media, "It's been a long time since something like this happened. We've lost washers and bolts (before) but never a tool like this." The initial investigation into the incident has shown that a Thiokol Corp. technician noticed and reported his pliers as missing on April 2nd. Unfortunately, the worker's supervisor did not act on the report and Discovery was launched with its "extra payload". NASA officials were never told of the missing tool before the April 8th launch date. The free-flying pliers were supposed to be tethered to the SRB technician. When the tool was found in an aft section of the booster, its 18-inch long rope was still attached. The pliers were found in a part of the booster which is not easily visible from the launch pad. |(Ron's ed. note: naaahhh, just too easy) A spokesperson for the Lockheed Space Operations Company said that the Shuttle processor will take "appropriate action". Thiokol is a subcontractor to LSOC for work to prepare Shuttle hardware for launch. _________________________________________________________ Karl Anderson DEV/2000: Configuration Management/Version Control Dept 53K/006-2 Rochester, Minnesota 55901 253-8044 Tie 8-453-8044 INTERNET: karl@vnet.ibm.com PRODIGY: CMMG96A "To seek, to strive, to find, and not to yield." Alfred Lord Tennyson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 18:30:05 GMT From: Dillon Pyron Subject: A WRENCH in the works? Newsgroups: sci.space In article <25228@ksr.com>, jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods) writes: >nanderso@Endor.sim.es.com (Norman Anderson) writes: >>jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) writes: >>>effect that one of the SSRBs that was recovered after the >>>recent space shuttle launch was found to have a wrench of >>>some sort rattling around apparently inside the case. >>I heard a similar statement in our local news (UTAH) tonight. They referred >>to the tool as "...the PLIERS that took a ride into space...". They also >>said that a Thiokol (sp?) employee had reported missing a tool of some kind >>during assembly of one SRB. It was a test of the first reusable tool. > >I assume, then, that someone at Thiokol put on their "manager's hat" and said >that pissing off the customer by delaying shipment of the SRB to look inside >it was a bad idea, regardless of where that tool might have ended up. > >Why do I get the feeling that Thiokol "manager's hats" are shaped like cones? Pointy so they can find them or so they will stick into their pants better, and be closer to their brains? -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures. PADI DM-54909 | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14:15:34 GMT From: Paul Dokas Subject: Big amateur rockets Newsgroups: sci.space I was reading Popular Science this morning and was surprised by an ad in the back. I know that a lot of the ads in the back of PS are fringe science or questionablely legal, but this one really grabbed my attention. It was from a company name "Personal Missle, Inc." or something like that. Anyhow, the ad stated that they'd sell rockets that were up to 20' in length and engines of sizes "F" to "M". They also said that some rockets will reach 50,000 feet. Now, aside from the obvious dangers to any amateur rocketeer using one of these beasts, isn't this illegal? I can't imagine the FAA allowing people to shoot rockets up through the flight levels of passenger planes. Not to even mention the problem of locating a rocket when it comes down. And no, I'm not going to even think of buying one. I'm not that crazy. -Paul "mine'll do 50,000 feet and carries 50 pounds of dynamite" Dokas -- #include #define FULL_NAME "Paul Dokas" #define EMAIL "pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com" /* Just remember, you *WILL* die someday. */ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:31:44 GMT From: Henry Spencer Subject: Big amateur rockets Newsgroups: sci.space In article pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas) writes: >Anyhow, the ad stated that they'd sell rockets that were up to 20' in length >and engines of sizes "F" to "M". They also said that some rockets will >reach 50,000 feet. > >Now, aside from the obvious dangers to any amateur rocketeer using one >of these beasts, isn't this illegal? I can't imagine the FAA allowing >people to shoot rockets up through the flight levels of passenger planes. The situation in this regard has changed considerably in recent years. See the discussion of "high-power rocketry" in the rec.models.rockets frequently-asked-questions list. This is not hardware you can walk in off the street and buy; you need proper certification. That can be had, mostly through Tripoli (the high- power analog of the NAR), although the NAR is cautiously moving to extend the upper boundaries of what it considers proper too. You need special FAA authorization, but provided you aren't doing it under one of the LAX runway approaches or something stupid like that, it's not especially hard to arrange. As with model rocketry, this sort of hardware is reasonably safe if handled properly. Proper handling takes more care, and you need a lot more empty air to fly in, but it's basically just model rocketry scaled up. As with model rocketry, the high-power people use factory-built engines, which eliminates the major safety hazard of do-it-yourself rocketry. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:55:44 GMT From: "R. M. Jungclas" Subject: Big amateur rockets Newsgroups: sci.space In article pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas) writes: >I was reading Popular Science this morning and was surprised by an ad in >the back. I know that a lot of the ads in the back of PS are fringe >science or questionablely legal, but this one really grabbed my attention. >It was from a company name "Personal Missle, Inc." or something like that. > >Anyhow, the ad stated that they'd sell rockets that were up to 20' in length >and engines of sizes "F" to "M". They also said that some rockets will >reach 50,000 feet. > >Now, aside from the obvious dangers to any amateur rocketeer using one >of these beasts, isn't this illegal? I can't imagine the FAA allowing >people to shoot rockets up through the flight levels of passenger planes. >Not to even mention the problem of locating a rocket when it comes down. > >And no, I'm not going to even think of buying one. I'm not that crazy. > > >-Paul "mine'll do 50,000 feet and carries 50 pounds of dynamite" Dokas Could it be Public Missile, Inc in Michigan? From the description of ad here, it sounds like they're talking about "High Power Rocketry", an outgrowth of model rocketry. This hobby uses non-metallic structural compoments and commerically manufactured engines ranging in impulse classification from G to P. The hobby has been flourishing from early 1980s and is becoming increasing popular. Technically this is not consider amateur rocketry. Any rocket with a liftoff weight greater than 3.3 pounds OR using a total impulse of G or greater, REQUIRES an FAA waiver to launch. Typically, a group of people get an FAA waiver for specified period of time (ie week, weekend, etc.) at a designated site and time, and all of the launches are then covered under this "blanket waiver". There is also a "High Power Safety Code" which designates more specific rules such as launch field size, etc. Finally, in order to purchase any of the larger (Class B) rocket motors you need to certified through either the National Association of Rocketry or Tripoli Rocketry Association. Certification procedures require a demonstarted handling and "safe" flight at a total impulse level. For more information, watch rec.models.rockets newsgroup. R. Michael Jungclas UUCP: att!ihlpb!rjungcla AT&T Bell Labs - Naperville, IL. Internet: rjungcla@ihlpb.att.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14:34:02 -0400 From: Lawrence Curcio Subject: Big amateur rockets Newsgroups: sci.space Let's see. These aren't, in a strict sense, amateur rockets. That term denotes rockets, the engines of which are constructed by the user. The rockets you describe are called HPR, or high power rockets, to distinguish them from (smaller) model rockets. They use factory-made ammonium perchlorate composite propellants in phenolic plastic engines with graphite nozzles. The engines are classified by impulse. A "D" engine, for example, can have no more than 20 newton-seconds of impulse. An "F" engine can have no more than 40 ns. Each letter corresponds to a doubling of the maximum impulse. So far, engines up to size "O" are available pretty much off the shelf. Engines of size H and above are shipped as Class B explosives, and as such are controlled. Engines of size F and below are shipped as Class C explosives, and are not as controlled. Class F engines, BTW, are not HPR engines, but model rocket engines. (Class G engines go in and out of legal limbo.) There is an HPR Society, The Tripoli Rocket Society, I believe, which holds events at various sites throughout the year, with all legalities (FAA waiver included) taken care of. The National Association of Rocketry is more concerned with engines below H, though it is involved in HPR as well. These societies certify users of HPR rockets, and companies will not sell to uncertified individuals. Bottom Line: It's legit. I suggest you send for a catalog - but forget the dynamite, will ya? -Larry C. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Apr 93 16:33:38 GMT From: Eric Van Drunen Subject: Big amateur rockets Newsgroups: sci.space Actually, they are legal! I not familiar with the ad you are speaking of but knowing Popular Science it is probably on the fringe. However, you may be speaking of "Public Missle, Inc.", which is a legitimate company that has been around for a while. Due to advances in composite fuels, engines are now available for model rockets using similar composites to SRB fuel, roughly 3 times more powerful than black powder motors. They are even available in a reloadable form, i.e. aluminum casing, end casings, o-rings (!). The engines range from D all the way to M in common manufacture, N and O I've heard of used at special occasions. To be a model rocket, however, the rocket can't contain any metal structural parts, amongst other requirements. I've never heard of a model rocket doing 50,000. I have heard of > 20,000 foot flights. These require FAA waivers (of course!). There are a few large national launches (LDRS, FireBALLS), at which you can see many > K sized engine flights. Actually, using a > G engine constitutes the area of "High Power Rocketry", which is seperate from normal model rocketry. Purchase of engines like I have been describing require membership in the National Association of Rocketry, the Tripoli Rocketry Assoc., or you have to be part of an educational institute or company involved in rocketry. Amatuer rocketry is another area. I'm not really familiar with this, but it is an area where metal parts are allowed, along with liquid fuels and what not. I don't know what kind of regulations are involved, but I'm sure they are numerous. High power rocketry is very exciting! If you are interested or have more questions, there is a newsgroup rec.model.rockets. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 15:35:43 GMT From: Dave Stephenson Subject: Clementine Science Team Selected Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes: >In article stephens@geod.emr.ca (Dave Stephenson) writes: > Remember the first government scientist in the British Empire was > the Astronomer Royal, who was paid [...] from the Department > of Ordinance Budget (i.e. the military). Flamsteed House (the original > RGO) was built out of Army Surplus Scrap ( A gate house at the Tower of > London ?), and paid for by the sale of time expired gunpowder [...] >At the time, astronomy was vital to the military, in that navigation >and cartography were of primary impoortance to the military, and good >cartography was impossible without good astronomy. >The relevance these daysis somewhat less obvious. >Nick It still applies, except the astronomy these days is Very Long Baseline Radio Astronomy coupled to GPS and Satellite Laser Ranging. The data from NASA's and the Naval Observatory's (among others) is a vital source of data for studies into crustal dynamics, Earth rotation, and purturbations. Every time there is a leap second added to the New Year, remember the military and science are still co-habiting nicely. The same VLBI was used to track Gallileo as it passed the Earth, and used so little fuel that it can afford to observe Ida. -- Dave Stephenson Geodetic Survey of Canada Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Internet: stephens@geod.emr.ca ------------------------------ Date: 16 Apr 93 14:11:53 +0930 From: 8725157m@levels.unisa.edu.au Subject: Cold gas roll control thruster tanks Newsgroups: sci.space Does anyone know how to size cold gas roll control thruster tanks for sounding rockets? Thanks in advance, Jim. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Apr 93 14:28:07 GMT From: "R.D.Lorenz" Subject: Cold Gas tanks for Sounding Rockets Newsgroups: sci.space >Does anyone know how to size cold gas roll control thruster tanks >for sounding rockets? Well, first you work out how much cold gas you need, then make the tanks big enough. Working out how much cold gas is another problem, depending on vehicle configuration, flight duration, thruster Isp (which couples into storage pressure, which may be a factor in selecting tank wall thickness etc.) Ralph Lorenz Unit for Space Sciences University of Kent, UK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 18:25:53 GMT From: "Richard A. Schumacher" Subject: DC-X update??? Newsgroups: sci.space In <1993Apr15.234154.23145@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: >As for the future, there is at least $5M in next years budget for work >on SSRT. They (SDIO) have been looking for more funds and do seem to have >some. However, SDIO is not (I repeat, is not) going to fund an orbital >prototype. The best we can hope from them is to 1) keep it alive for >another year, and 2) fund a suborbital vehicle which MIGHT (with >major modifications) just make orbit. There is also some money for a >set of prototype tanks and projects to answer a few more open questions. Would the sub-orbital version be suitable as-is (or "as-will-be") for use as a reuseable sounding rocket? >Better news comes from the new Spacelifter effort. The USAF managers of >this program are very open to SSTO and will have about $50M next >year for studies. This would be enough to bring DC-Y to PDR. Thank Ghod! I had thought that Spacelifter would definitely be the bastard Son of NLS. (And just as a reminder:) >Now not all of this money will go to DC but a good case could be made >for spending half on DC. >Public support is STILL critical. Meet with your Congressperson (I'll >help you do it) and get his/her support. Also call your local media >and get them to cover the flight tests. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 23:13:40 CDT From: jim jaworski Subject: How many read sci.space? Newsgroups: sci.space rborden@ugly.UVic.CA (Ross Borden) writes: > In article <734850108.F00002@permanet.org> Mark.Prado@p2.f349.n109.z1.permane > > > >One could go on and on and on here, but I wonder ... how > >many people read sci.space and of what power/influence are > >these individuals? > > > Quick! Everyone who sees this, post a reply that says: > > "Hey, I read sci.space!" > > Then we can count them, and find out how many there are! :-) > (This will also help answer that nagging question: "Just what is > the maximum bandwidth of the Internet, anyways?") > As an Amateur Radio operator (VHF 2metres) I like to keep up with what is going up (and for that matter what is coming down too). In about 30 days I have learned ALOT about satellites current, future and past all the way back to Vanguard series and up to Astro D observatory (space). I borrowed a book from the library called Weater Satellites (I think, it has a photo of the earth with a TIROS type satellite on it.) I would like to build a model or have a large color poster of one of the TIROS satellites I think there are places in the USA that sell them. ITOS is my favorite looking satellite, followed by AmSat-OSCAR 13 (AO-13). TTYL 73 Jim jim@inqmind.bison.mb.ca The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14:26:25 GMT From: Daniel Burstein Subject: japanese moon landing? Newsgroups: sci.space Afraid I can't give any more info on this.. and hoping someone in greter NETLAND has some details. A short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention about how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just managed to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon. the article was very vague and unclear. and, to make matters worse, I didn't clip it. does this jog anyone's memory? thanks dannyb@panix.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:56:15 GMT From: Henry Spencer Subject: japanese moon landing? Newsgroups: sci.space In article dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes: >A short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention >about how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just >managed to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon. Their Hiten engineering-test mission spent a while in a highly eccentric Earth orbit doing lunar flybys, and then was inserted into lunar orbit using some very tricky gravity-assist-like maneuvering. This meant that it would crash on the Moon eventually, since there is no such thing as a stable lunar orbit (as far as anyone knows), and I believe I recall hearing recently that it was about to happen. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:17:29 GMT From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Subject: Shuttle oxygen (was Budget Astronaut) Newsgroups: sci.space : henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: : >There is an emergency oxygen system that is capable of maintaining a : >breathable atmosphere in the cabin for long enough to come down, even : >if there is something like a 5cm hole in the wall that nobody tries : >to plug. Josh Hopkins (jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) replied: : Wow. : Double wow. Can you land a shuttle with a 5cm hole in the wall? Personnally, I don't know, but I'd like to try it sometime. Programmatically, yes, we can land an Orbiter with a 5 cm hole in the wall -- provided that the thing which caused 5 cm hole didn't cause a Crit 1 failure on some of the internal systems. There are a few places where a 5 cm hole would cause a Bad Day -- especially if the 5 cm hole went all the way through the Orbiter and out the other side, as could easily happen with a meteor strike. But a hole in the pressure vessel would cause us to immediately de-orbit to the next available landing site. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368 "NASA turns dreams into realities and makes science fiction into fact" -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator ------------------------------ Date: 16 Apr 1993 16:09:03 GMT From: Doug Mohney Subject: Shuttle oxygen (was Budget Astronaut) Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1993Apr16.151729.8610@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes: >Josh Hopkins (jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) replied: >: Double wow. Can you land a shuttle with a 5cm hole in the wall? >Personnally, I don't know, but I'd like to try it sometime. Are you volunteering? :) > But a >hole in the pressure vessel would cause us to immediately de-orbit >to the next available landing site. Will NASA have "available landing sites" in the Russian Republic, now that they are Our Friends and Comrades? Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 23:43:00 -0500 From: Mark Prado Subject: Sixty-two thousand (was Re: How many read sci.space?) Newsgroups: sci.space Reply address: mark.prado@permanet.org If anyone knows anyone else who would like to get sci.space, but doesn't have an Internet feed (or has a cryptic Internet feed), I would be willing to feed it to them. I have a nice offline message reader/editor, an automated modem "mailer" program which will pick up mail bundles (quickly and easily), and an INSTALL.EXE to set them up painlessly. No charge for the sci.space feed, though you have to dial Washington, D.C. This is NOT a BBS -- it's a store & forward system for mail bundles, with minimum connect times. (I'm used to overseas calls.) (This is not an offer for a free feed for any other particular newsgroups.) Speeds of up to 14400 (v32bis) are supported. VIP's might be offered other free services, such as Internet address and other functionality. I get my feed from UUNET and run a 4-line hub. I've been hubbing for years -- I have an extremely reliable hub. The software I provide runs under MS-DOS (and OS/2 and Windows as a DOS box). Other, compatible software packages exist for the MacIntosh and Unix. Any responses should be private and go to: mark.prado@permanet.org (By the way, to all, my apologies for the public traffic on my glib question. I really didn't expect public replys. But thanks to Bill Higgins for the interesting statistics and the lead.) * Origin: PerManNet FTSC <=> Internet gateway (1:109/349.2) ------------------------------ Date: 16 Apr 93 12:53:00 PST From: "RWTMS2::MUNIZB" Subject: Space Event near Los Angeles, CA Apologies if this gets posted twice, but I don't think the first one made it. -------------------------------------------------------------------- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: OASIS (310) 364-2290 15 April 1993 Los Angeles, CA LOCAL NATIONAL SPACE SOCIETY CHAPTERS SPONSOR TALK BY L.A. ADVOCATE OF LUNAR POWER SYSTEM AS ENERGY SOURCE FOR THE WORLD On April 21, the OASIS and Ventura County chapters of the National Space Society will sponsor a talk by Lunar Power System (LPS) co- inventor and vice-president of the LPS Coalition, Dr. Robert D. Waldron. It will be held at 7:30 p.m. at the Rockwell Science Center in Thousand Oaks, CA. Dr. Waldron is currently a Technical Specialist in Space Materials Processing with the Space Systems Division of Rockwell International in Downey, California. He is a recognized world authority on lunar materials refinement. He has written or coauthored more than 15 articles or reports on nonterrestrial materials processing or utilization. Along with Dr. David Criswell, Waldron invented the lunar/solar power system concept. Momentum is building for a coalition of entrepreneurs, legal experts, and Soviet and U.S. scientists and engineers to build the Lunar Power System, a pollution-free, energy source with a potential to power the globe. For the past three years members of the coalition, nearly half from California, have rejuvenated the commercial and scientific concept of a solar power system based on the Moon. The LPS concept entails collecting solar energy on the lunar surface and beaming the power to Earth as microwaves transmitted through orbiting antennae. A mature LPS offers an enormous source of clean, sustainable power to meet the Earth's ever increasing demand using proven, basic technology. OASIS (Organization for the Advancement of Space Industrialization) is the Greater Los Angeles chapter of the National Space Society, which is an international non-profit organization that promotes development of the space frontier. The Ventura County chapter is based in Oxnard, CA. WHERE: Rockwell Science Center Auditorium, 1049 Camino Dos Rios, Thousand Oaks, CA. DIRECTIONS: Ventura Freeway 101 to Thousand Oaks, exit onto Lynn Road heading North (right turn from 101 North, Left turn from 101 South), after about 1/2 mile turn Left on Camino Dos Rios, after about 1/2 mile make First Right into Rockwell after Camino Colindo, Parking at Top of Hill to the Left ------------------------------ Date: 16 Apr 1993 10:47:12 -0400 From: Jon Leech Subject: Weekly reminder for Frequently Asked Questions list Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,sci.space.shuttle This notice will be posted weekly in sci.space, sci.astro, and sci.space.shuttle. The Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) list for sci.space and sci.astro is posted approximately monthly. It also covers many questions that come up on sci.space.shuttle (for shuttle launch dates, see below). The FAQ is posted with a long expiration date, so a copy may be in your news spool directory (look at old articles in sci.space). If not, here are two ways to get a copy without waiting for the next posting: (1) If your machine is on the Internet, it can be obtained by anonymous FTP from the SPACE archive at ames.arc.nasa.gov (128.102.18.3) in directory pub/SPACE/FAQ. (2) Otherwise, send email to 'archive-server@ames.arc.nasa.gov' containing the single line: help The archive server will return directions on how to use it. To get an index of files in the FAQ directory, send email containing the lines: send space FAQ/Index send space FAQ/faq1 Use these files as a guide to which other files to retrieve to answer your questions. Shuttle launch dates are posted by Ken Hollis periodically in sci.space.shuttle. A copy of his manifest is now available in the Ames archive in pub/SPACE/FAQ/manifest and may be requested from the email archive-server with 'send space FAQ/manifest'. Please get this document instead of posting requests for information on launches and landings. Do not post followups to this article; respond to the author. ------------------------------ End of Space Digest Volume 16 : Issue 465 ------------------------------